The Tool Army Exchange

Preface to the exchangce:
This is a series of posts primarily between Myself (Time_Spiral) and a ToolArmy member known as Spine. The original Post was by a member known as "Leshrine" This member does not contribute to the exchange, but i wanted to provide the original post that started it all.

I indent and color Spines responses in Green, and title each response with the member name and the response number. I will continue to update this exchange as it grows. I encourage you to read and contribute your thoughts and ideas if you wish.

Synopsis:
The reason i am sharing this is because i believe it is represents questions that we all have, or have had at some point in our lives. Please keep in mind i do not believe to have the answers, but i do act strongly on my Will, i believe it is important to act on will. I feel like the information that is flowing through me is valuable and should be shared. But Spine is providing excellent and challenging questions . . . Human questions.

Please enjoy. . .

<<< Leshrine ORIGINAL POST >>>
tool army star/logo
hey all

look sorry if this is already posted some where..but ive been looking for an explenation as to where and or what the five pointed toolarmy star/logo means, originated, history and so on..if anyone could help me out it would be much appreciated..

thank you all

much love

leshrine

<<< Spine Response #1 >>>
MADE UP..
Just like everyother religion, beleif system, etc. things are just made up in order to explain the unexplainable. The ancients had no betterunderstanding of the afterlife than we do now. Its that simple. They created stories and symbols to help them cope with what they could not understand. And today we still do the same. People are always searching for an answer where there is none. Weather its through organized religion or halucinagens people search, and come up with some thing that satisfies themselves. No one is right. No one is wrong. Because no one knows for sure why.

<<< Time_Spiral Response #1 >>>
Interesting stance

To assume the thousands of documented sources discovered by the ancients to be purely fictitious and created out of fear of the unknown.

Many of the scriptures say exactly where th information came from. Very much of it has little to do with 'the after life' and is scientific information talking about things we are just now starting to see were articulated with an extremely high degree of accuracy and insight.

I agree that the idea of 'truth' is a very interesting, intruiging and potentially damaging one. but . . .

We are not alone, and we don't have all the answers, but we have some, and 'others' probably have ones we don't have right now.

I will gladly elaborate if you wish to continue the conversation, but am slightly busy right now. Don't be so quick to assume all that is known is BS.

Time_Spiraling

<<< Spine Response #2 >>>
You say
the scriptures tell exactaly where this information comes from. What information, what scriptures? Scientific things like the Mayan calandar? Please be more spicific. I am sorry I ruffled you extremely busy feathers but I suggest you dont beleive everything you read.
Peace

<<< Time_Spiral Response #2 >>>
Feathers

Were not ruffled in the slightest.

I will gladly go on. I read the post and just wanted to throw somethin in there, it was meant purely to be benevolent.

If those questions are genuine and you are truly interested in what scriptures i'm referring to and some of what they say i will certainly elaborate. And i was busy at the time, but i do not have feathers anymore : )

oh yeah, i don't believe everything i read. Good suggestion though.

Time_Spiraling

<<< Spine Response #3 >>>
Yes my
questions are genuine. I am always intrigued by others take on things. I have a hard time believing most things. But that does not mean I am not interested. I'm a cynic and a smart ass but sincere.
Great visuals by the way!!!!

<<< Time_Spiral Response #3>>>
Throughout
The human path has taken may turns and traveled many avenues.

I feel one of the huge mistakes we have made is that today is the belief that: we are the simple, slowly evolving, predictable outcome of inevitable chaotic events and encounters.

When i was speaking of "scriptures" i was referring to many different things that can all be used to sum up one simple and ubquitous fact: We are not alone.

The texts / scriptures i speak of include:

- Ancient Sumerien tablets (thousands have been recovered),

- Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyhs and writings,

- the "Lost Books" (which are thousands of books of writing from the pre-bible era that heavily influenced what was actually put together as the bible, many of these writing stemmed from the: Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, and possibly even Atlanteans)

- Far Eastern Vedic Scriptures

- The Torah (Alien artifact channeled through a very famous historical figure)

- Ancient Mesoamerican cultures (Incans, Mayans)

I'm sure i'm leaving out some, there are so many it is difficult to name and possibly be 100% familiar with them all. But they all share something remarkable in common with each other. They speak of higher level / density / dimensional [Gods] beings that came from the heavens [traditionaly translated as 'sky'] down to Earth. Information (in many forms, some even genetically) was shared with the 'humans' [interesting to note the Annunaki referred to the first Humans as A-dam]

There are several different takes on why they were here, what they did, when they left, what they left behind, when they will return, and what the future holds for humanity and our planet.

One of the most famous and respected Auther on the subject of ancient Sumerian culture is a man Named Zecheria Sitchin auther of "The Earth Chronicles" and "Genesis Revisited". That series of information reveals how the Ancient Sumerians [credited as being the first human civilization by modern historians] came across all of their wisdom, and even came to be. He does not deduce this information, he simply believes what they have written down.

I'm using the Sumerians as an example because i'm most familiar with them, but i assure you the parralel exists in the other texts i have referrenced.

The Sumerians attribute a name to these heavenly beings and called them Annunaki (which literally means "Those who from Heaven came to Earth) and the texts go into great detail about all the knowledge that was shared with them: Writing, math, alchemy, social structures, architecture, astronomy, consciousness sciences, government and policing, education and schools, even kingship and the ascension orders.

The text contain all of this information that (if you can read Ancient sumerian cunniform) you could read for yourself. They knew about the planets and their orbits, they had highly advanced mathematics that are truly extraordinary (one of the base arithmatic numbers was somewhere in the region of 12,680,540,360 or some astronimcally huge number[definetly not the right number, but used to give you the idea]) and all of the information is startlingly accurate.

When the Incans where attacked by the Europeans for their gold they were asked "where did you get this gold?" (in the selfish destructive quest for El Derado) The Incans responded "This gold is not ours, it is the God's" - They literally meant other beings known to them as the Gods that would return for the golds one day.

I could seriously go on.

And it should be apparent now that i do not believe everything i read, but i'm also not going to take the carefully devised and narrow minded approach of western and modern Dogma that thesew ancients did not know what they were talking about and were simply telling "stories" to try and cope with the unknown. That is a BS point of view, we should give them more credit especially when we already credit them with so much like building things we cannot even understand, having advanced mathematics beyond our own in some cases, understaning planetary orbits nearly 6000 years before we figured out our planet was a sphere, understanding the exact order of the entire solar system 6000 years before we realized WE WERE NOT THE CENTER OF EVERYTHING!

Hopefully i've touched base on the many things you were thinking on. I would love your input and should you have further questions i would love to continue this conversation.

p.s. i left out the visuals this time for ease of reading.

Time_Spiraling
"I am another You"

<<< Spine Response #4 >>>
I thank
both you and ghille [another member of Tool Army] for you time. I am a stubborn man but not unreasonable! As intriguing as all this information is I still am cautious/ I will go on to read further. While I dont think we are the center of everything I have a hard time accepting that others have visited and imparted wisdom upon us. Couldnt it be that we developed this knowledge on our own? What if we are as advanced as it gets. While I feel we arent alone, why is the perception that we are primitive in our development? Could the beings that "came down from the sky" be metaphor? My biggest question in the visitors from else where category is why? Why come down and leave? Why hide? If they made themselves known at one time why not continue to do so? I feel like imparting us with some knowledge just to help us along then they'll come back to check in is a bit to, i dont know, convient. If they have all this knowledge why not stay?
I think maybe we are simple and slow evolving but not in a bad way. What if this is what it takes. Trial by error. What if it takes us several more millennia to truly evolve and then we are the ones who travel to the stars? What if we're the first?
Always Questioning, Always Appreciative
spine

<<< Time_Spiral Response #4 >>>
Keep going

Important and meaningful ones, your questions be (in the style of the wise).

If you noticed someone, a life, that needed help and you could help, or at least you thought you could help . . . .would you?

As you rise to the rank of suprvisor at your work, risen from the lower ranks of a begginer, does your job not become to guide those who could make mistakes easily avoided? Does it not become your job (meaning / purpose) to identify dangerous (counter productive) activities of those 'below you' and impart your wisdom and knowledge up on them?

Wouldn't you feel compelled to do so?

"Oh sir, i don't recommend that course of action, it takes way too long, and ultimately it will make the job much harder . . . here try this, i discovered this after many trials"

Very familiar and ubiquitous concept i think.

So in that light i do not believe in any way that it is unlikely or unreasonable for another race to sense a situation in which they could help, and do just that.

It could very well be tht we developed this on our own. But wouldn't you claim it as your own if you developed it? In a spiritually sound society, if someone helps you and it has a profound influence on your life, would you not want to honor that person / entity? and when someone asks, or possibly when prefacing the information wouldn't you say "My father taught me this, he was a great man"

or "My old Boss, Cleve, was a genius, he understood this stuff so much better than me, but now i understand!"

Could we have come up with this stuff on our own? Certainly. We've accomplished many amazing, boggling, and startling things. When historians find things, and tablets and scriptures, and civilizations that accomplished major things believe me they look for "credits" or flip to the "sources" section and see if it checks out.

I do not believe they were ever in hiding. They may be now, but not hiding in the sense you are thinking. In fact, the information was purposefully left behind right out in the open to be discovered, decoded, and benefitted from. Often times the message are literally written in stone, or are the stones themselves!

The question however also entails: Why did they physically leave?

1,000,000 $ question.

I'd say a few categories of possible answers safely cover the gamut of possibilities (within reason)

1.) They had to. The ship was leaving, the had a time-line to meet, the had previous arrangements, the are following orders, the plan all along was to just "drop in"

2.) They realized the error of there ways. As the knowledge was imparted it was distorted, abused, mis used and the behavior
disgusted them, and to avoid any further distortions in the social evolutionary timeline - they left, knowing what this would ultimately lead to and knowing "they would have to come back at some point"

3.) They were here for a very specific purpose and when that purpose was fulfilled they no longer had any reason to be here, so they left. That purpose could be any number of things, many of them are recorded for our review.

In a way we are the 'first' but in the same way we are not the 'first' - What if this is advanced as it gets? Well . . . That depends on your measure of advanced, and due to nature of what we perceive as life - we are not as advanced as it gets, there is much growing to be done.

"to truly evolve"
Interesting statement. It probably will take many more mellinea, and will certainly takes us through phases of 'life' far beyond what we think we know about it right now . . .

I believe i have addressed as many points as you possed. I'm enjoying this exchange.

Peace on,
Time_Spiraling
"I am another You"